Trading thread also investments are welcome
Bernd 2021-03-29 22:31:42 ⋅ 3y No. 112985So since investments became a trend I also joined party. I promised to post before but only now got my account and some amount of money. What I am doing is selling options. It is always cool to tell about winning trades and making money but I think it is actually fair to show the losing trades and that it is not that easy as it is. I for example made a stupid trade on Ford. Because I didn't diversify I am stuck with 400 share of this company and shareprice is going down right now. I also lost an opportunity to sell option today for a good price so at the end of the day only sold two weeks call for $26. Will see what tomorrow brings me. Btw I had to buy those shares for $12.50 on Friday I sold for puts for.
Bernd
2021-03-29 22:37:52 ⋅ 3y
No. 112986
>>112985
I lost 9000 trading during covid
t. Idiot
Managed to recoup some of that by holding since late last year though
Bernd
2021-03-29 22:43:08 ⋅ 3y
No. 112987
>>112986
I made like 30 euro on 100 stock account during trading last autumn. It was funny. In this case it was unexpected event and me not diversifying. But I tried to choose solid company.
Bernd
2021-03-29 22:48:22 ⋅ 3y
No. 112988
>>112987
I have a number of OTC stonks which prevents me from trading options (and that's a good thing)
I'm waiting for BASF to pull back before unleashing a big buy
also I bought Siemens at the absolute bottom, sold at ~55 and reinvested it in Bayer which has done nothing... While Siemens has almost doubled since I sold. Feels bad
Bernd
2021-03-29 23:20:22 ⋅ 3y
No. 112989
>So since investments became a trend
It feels like they are unloading all the shit they have on gullible retards so its time to get out
Bernd
2021-03-29 23:22:20 ⋅ 3y
No. 112992
>>112988
>BAYER
fellow shareholder, I put like 2k on it for two years and indeed nothing happened
Bernd
2021-03-30 03:27:14 ⋅ 3y
No. 113006
I want to kill myself for missing out on all of the buttcoin trains.
Bernd
2021-03-30 06:21:18 ⋅ 3y
No. 113011
>>113006
>wanting to kms for not investing in successful coins
<too lazy to read and invest in current coins that might grow
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Bernd
2021-03-30 06:36:55 ⋅ 3y
No. 113013
>>113006
It is stupid. There is always opportunity and it might be good that you didn't participate. To me bitcoin is still scamy. Also you never know what happens in future. It is always easy to look in retrospect and see that what would happen if you invested in one or another thing. But you didn't know that at that time.
Bernd
2021-03-30 07:08:45 ⋅ 3y
No. 113014
>>113013
I knew but I was too lazy like the kraut above.
Bernd
2021-03-30 10:16:26 ⋅ 3y
No. 113017
>>113006
Do you also feel the same for losing the monster energy train?n
Bernd
2021-03-30 17:07:41 ⋅ 3y
No. 113036
>>112985
I'm just passively owning and buying index ETF:s, quite boring. Following the ACWI. It's actually so boring and easy that I just had to use a small sum and do a stock pick this month that I'll hold, just for the sake of excitement and gambling.
Bernd
2021-03-30 21:05:10 ⋅ 3y
No. 113067
Sold some contract today made circa $100. The problem is one is expiring this week and other 3 in next week. So I will be just waiting now.
Bernd
2021-03-30 21:58:20 ⋅ 3y
No. 113070
I would like to get into finance stuff but I probably should focus on earning money first.
Bernd
2021-03-31 23:22:57 ⋅ 3y
No. 113139
>>113070
Gotta have money to make money.
Bernd
2021-04-01 14:24:48 ⋅ 3y
No. 113157
>>113070
Start saving 20% of your income each month and buy cheap index funds each month
Bernd
2021-04-02 18:19:42 ⋅ 3y
No. 113194
Damn, stock goes down and I exited at kind of wrong time and earned 12 dollars instead of 14. Hopefully will have a reversal next week but no good news so far. I want to sell call option next week if price gets right. Because of the price decline I am still a little bit above zero but at least I am kind of avoiding losses.
Bernd
2021-04-06 23:20:16 ⋅ 3y
No. 113359
>>113006
We're still at the start of it all. Look at a chart for the stock market over the last two hundred years. Sure you've not made a crazy profit but this shit is only going to go up.
Bernd
2021-04-07 17:03:26 ⋅ 3y
No. 113384
I heard it is an excellent time to invest since this time its different. Is 5x leverage enough? Should I throw all my student loan on it? I am thinking Tesla, Crypto and Zoom of course. After all who cares about the rest.
Bernd
2021-04-07 17:04:34 ⋅ 3y
No. 113386
>>113384
Use leverage only during crashes.
Bernd
2021-05-11 22:34:04 ⋅ 2y
No. 114370
>>113386
Too late.
Bernd
2021-05-12 11:58:54 ⋅ 2y
No. 114394
My portfolio has taken a hit this week and I attribute that to the gas shortage. I think I'll buy more MP, which is a rare earth mine in California. I was up 100% at one point. I also bought 100 shares of Ford last year at the bottom, feels good now but it really is a shit company.
Bernd
2021-05-20 13:59:18 ⋅ 2y
No. 114793
>>112985
How much have you lost guys?
Bernd
2021-05-20 15:28:06 ⋅ 2y
No. 114800
>>114793
I have lost nothing, I am a boring index investor. However, almost 900 000 leveraged cryptoinvestors were already liquidated. Rip in piss.
Bernd
2021-05-20 15:40:37 ⋅ 2y
No. 114802
>>114800
Just as a comparison, a 5 year performance of S&P 500 and the MSCI ACWI index. Some bubbles are bursting now which is only normal and healthy, it was actually very worrysome how long the euphoria kept going, but there's still no proper panic. Only the weakest and overleveraged hands are being washed out.
I'd prefer to buy today than a week ago, of course I am no fortune teller and I am unable to foresee if we will actually go properly down this time.
Bernd
2021-05-21 16:20:39 ⋅ 2y
No. 114859
Its happening!!
Bernd
2021-05-21 21:17:34 ⋅ 2y
No. 114864
>>114859
oh no no no no
Bernd
2021-05-23 21:11:03 ⋅ 2y
No. 114914
Be careful with speculative investments. Loose money and lack of regulation will attract scammers and you might lose it all:
>BREAKING: DeFi100 coin exit scams, and runs away with $32 million in investors funds.
>Website is now updated with the message “We scammed you guys, and you can’t do shit about it”
https://twitter.com/CryptoWhale/status/1396100822245777408
I wholeheartedly recommend Bernds to keep 90% of your investments in a large, diversified indexfund and only play around with max 10% of your capital with risky investments.
Bernd
2021-05-23 22:07:06 ⋅ 2y
No. 114917
>>114914
>a large, diversified indexfund
Such as's?
Bernd
2021-05-23 22:18:45 ⋅ 2y
No. 114918
>>114917
For European investors:
>iShares MSCI ACWI UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (IUSQ)
OR Vanguards equivalent (basically the same thing):
>Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF (VWCE)
Those include both the developed market and the developing markets. No brainer, no need to balance because it is done for you. However if you don't want to invest in developing markets, and want less diversification:
>iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF (EUNL)
Or if you only believe in the USA, go with S&P 500:
>iShares Core S&P 500 UCITS ETF USD (Acc) (SXR8)
This however reduces your diversification by a lot. I recommend diversifying as much as possible and investing for a long duration.
Depending on your bank or broker, they might offer a cheap index fund that has low costs and is not an ETF which can be easier to buy into with a smaller sum of money. But it's different for each country. Finns at Nordnet.fi have access to SPP's fund ( https://www.nordnet.fi/markkinakatsaus/rahastolistat/17235176-spp-aktiefond-global ) that is somewhat costly but it's an easy access to a globally diversified portfolio with smaller sums.
Bernd
2021-05-23 22:38:52 ⋅ 2y
No. 114919
>>114918
Use vanguard, less jew involvement and the original low fee boy on the block
Would you post a cum tribute to sanna?
Bernd
2021-05-23 22:43:59 ⋅ 2y
No. 114921
>>114919
We europeans were unfortunately "protected" from Vanguard and access to their funds were made more difficult with the blessings of MiFID II ( https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/mifid-ii.asp ), while Ishares Blackrock was quicker to give europeans access back to their ETF's, Vanguard tends to lagg behind in this case. We are forced to buy another version of their ETF's through the German exchange. Fortunately we have now access again to their version of ACWI that I also listed in the earlier post. But I do agree, preferably use Vanguard if possible.
I don't know what you mean with a cum tribute.
Bernd
2021-05-23 22:49:05 ⋅ 2y
No. 114922
>>114921
I have most of my money in VXUS & RSX.. then smaller positions in VT, Alibaba, Basf, Bayer, Shell & Gazprom
Rate
t. Schizo that doesn't believe the green energy meme
Bernd
2021-05-23 23:10:00 ⋅ 2y
No. 114923
>>114922
Let's see.
>VXUS
So this fund excludes USA. Why exclusion of the US? USA is modern Roman empire of our time and it's one of the last places on earth to reach the phase of aging population, while the Europe, China, India, South America will all have aging population far before it. Almost all global giants come from USA, and their growth is not something I would want to miss on.
>RSX
This seems to be an ETF that invests in Russia. Why such a heavy focus on a developing corrupt country with a quickly aging population?
I would suggest tossing these and replacing them with an FTSE All World fund that includes USA.
>Alibaba
Chinarisk with their crazy government that any day can come up with reasons to nationalize it, otherwise dunno.
>Basf
Don't know anything
>Bayer
After a quick glance; trending downwards since 2015 and failed to get a boost after corona, the markets aren't pricing a bright future for this investment. Revenue trending up while profits clearly downwards and debt-to-equity ratio has been going up.
Overall not in a good trend.
>Shell
Took a clear hit from corona, maybe a good buying opportunity if it recovers back to the same level as precorona? For some reason the markets are not pricing that in however.
>Gazprom
Yikes, Russia. Wouldn't touch anything from there.
I am not a professional stock picker and you shouldn't listen to my opinions. In the long run, something around 4% of the worlds stocks are responsible for the gains of the world and the rest 96% will underperform. Stock picking is difficult. I prefer being passive and buying the whole index, which I recommend.
Bernd
2021-05-23 23:15:01 ⋅ 2y
No. 114924
>>114923
I just feel us stonks are too expensive and are bound for a correction, but I also realize that any correction in the Us will be felt in ex-us stocks, I told you I'm a schizo
As for Russia, it's particularly because it's a corrupt shithole that I see potential upside. Imagine if corruption is rooted out some day and Russians learn work ethic? Energy is underpriced with the overreaction to green energy. Lots of potential and I think it worth the risk.. also fat dividends.
Bernd
2021-05-23 23:21:58 ⋅ 2y
No. 114925
>>114924
USA is pretty much the dog and the rest of the world is the tail, if something happens to the US markets it will most likely just spread to others as well and probably hit them even harder. Money flees quicker away from developing markets.
For a place like Russia to reduce its corruption it would need to undergo a revolution, and that would probably require a civil war, and that is not good for the stocks there.
I don't know about energys pricing but I know that dividends are quite irrelevant. They are transferring money from one pocket to another (from the value of the company to your bank account), and usually the taxman is between that transfer stealing his share. Unless you can escape those taxes, a more taxeffective method of investing is preferrable, like index funds where the dividends are put directly back to compound without the destructive harm of taxes.
Bernd
2021-05-23 23:38:46 ⋅ 2y
No. 114926
>>114925
What do you think about NOKIA?
Bernd
2021-05-24 00:22:08 ⋅ 2y
No. 114927
>>114922
Adapt and believe in the green energy meme or perish...
Bernd
2021-05-24 04:50:18 ⋅ 2y
No. 114934
>>114926
Absolute shit, I can't understand how that zombie is still alive and how it keeps dragging on from one disappointment to another. I feel like someone should just put it out of its misery and be done with it. Just end its suffering already, someone, it's inhumane to keep it alive.