stop mistaking me for sk8erbernd please ;_;

trams can fuck off

trains belong underground

Dense cities are ans shit anyways. People aren't supposed to live so close on top of each other. Depopulation now!

first bomb where?

Berlin.

Underground can fuck off, I want to see the sun when I'm commuting.

This.

If a townsman needs to go somewhere farther than 30 minutes bike ride more than once a month it means the town is too big.

Trams on ground level, same as bike lanes. Trains can be ground level, elevated or underground for example in historic centres. Public transportation should be ground level, same as taxis.

Underground tunnels for heavy trucks and shit below avenues, and elevated highways for private transport (cars or motorcycles).

 

At least that is what would work on my 11+ million city with chaotic transportation and outdated infrastructure.

have you ever used a car?

If you live on the Europe, you can probably get away without ever having a car, but not here.

even small cities have public transit systems

only if you live wayyyy rural do you need a car

i go on a business trip to the other side of germany in a few weeks. a one way ticket by train would cost 150€. so two ways fir me and one colleague would be 600€.

 

driving there with an old car will cost something like 100€ for both ways.

 

cars don't suck, trains suck.

Is that just a wild guess? Because a train ticket for me to get to the other side of Germany was 50€, and I think like half of this is for crossing the border.

 

go to bahn.de and enter two points in germany and see how much it costs yourself. you will get a list of prices on different time slots. just average the prices you see into one that makes sense and double it because you want to drive back.

 

then calculate a route on open maps, that way you will get a number in km. double the number because you want to drive back. then calculate how much that costs, considering gasoline is around 1,80€ per liter here and you need 8 liter for 100km. to make it easy.

 

kind of disappointing that instead of asking dumb questions

 

 

you just didn't present your own calculation.

Why averaging? I usually choose the cheapest ticket so you need to get the minimum for you calculation.

My calculation is an actual travel I undertook few months ago from Amsterdam to Dresden for just under 100€ (two ways) with NS international. Just checked and DB offers somewhat similar price for the German part.

 

Also I checked maps now and it's about 750 km by car so with 8 liters per 100km you get above 200€ two ways for gas only (and gas is not the only thing you spend money on your car for).

 

i guess that's what you do when you are committed to the train life but in the car you can drive whenever you feel it is most convenient for you. that's something you don't even consider so i don't know how to balance that so i thought average but when you really only use the cheapest option no matter when it is then averaging makes it unrealistic.

 

 

i treat my car like an extra room i pay rent for, that way gas i the only thing i spend money on.

 

you can find situations in which train is cheaper, especially when you only go places alone but i was surprised to find that usually the car is cheaper then the train. before i bothered to start calculating this, my assumption was that of course train is always cheaper because it is a dedicated system made by professionals and it is partly government run so it should always be the most affordable option by far. that's not the case though.

 

also train is full of annoying people, you are constantly in some authoritative situation where you have to show your tickets, you can never relax and feel at ease because you constantly have to worry that some ticket inspector cunt or some passenger cunt will start trouble if you seem like you are too comfortable because this is germany.

 

also you know they used trains to bring people into concentration camps, right?

Why would anyone want to rent a small cramped room where you cannot even move furniture?

A bus is. As for train however you also pay for speed and comfort of a smooth ride. And schedule, but that's not the case with Germany.

 

 

And they used cars (well, vans) to suffocate people in these camps and elsewhere.

Best post ever posted in the story of imageboards.

 

you can move the room to wherever there are roads, my room has a bed in it, and a table, as well as clothing, tools, i can recharge my phone in it as well as my laptop, i can cook in it, i have water and juice to drink. in the winter when it is cold, i can heat the room. if i bothered to i could even have a refrigerator and air conditioning.

 

 

once you get good at driving it is a pretty mellow activity. you can sing and or listen to music, enjoy the scenery, meditate, listen to audiobooks, do breathing exercise, talk to people. it's way more relaxing then being on a train with people who wanna molest you just because you look good and like to smile, well i guess that last part doesn't apply to you. you can just go in a train unmolested, hooray for you.

When I travel somewhere with my car I usually don't book hotel rooms but just sleep in my car in the back. No need to plan anything. Don't need to carry a backpack around when you visit some place because you can just leave your stuff in a car.

Train riding is only comfortable if you don't have to switch trains often. When you do it is always a hassle.

Berlin to Munich

 

By train: 125€ using the ICE. estimated duration is 4h47min but you have to add to that the time and the cost to go to the train station via public bus or taxi or whatever. plus the time and cost to go from the arrival trainstation to where you actually want to go. oh yeah and you need a place to sleep. you have to be at the home trainstation at 04:30. luckily 0 times of changing the train so that's nice. some asshole teenagers are on the train on a class trip and they bully and insult you and make video of you and laugh about you the entire time.

 

By car: 583km, which in my case would amount to 81,62€, estimated duration is 5h50min, that's one hour longer. i start from where i actually live, so no getting to the trainstation first. i start to drive whenever the fuck i feel like it. i don't have to rearrange my entire life to be sure to make that exact time. feel like going a day later last minute? NO PROBLEM WHAT SO EVER. NO FEE TO PAY, NO TICKET TO CANCEL OR RESCHEDULE, NO HASSLE. i make short breaks and strech and drink and cook whenever i feel like it, i might make a fap break halfway through and poop and pee in peace without having to use disgusting public bathrooms where i keep worrying i touch something that has STDs. also i can sleep in the car so no need to get a hotel.

 

i dunno mane train seems so much worse, i rather drive there but you do you boo. maybe people are actually civilized and pleasant in your country and you have no idea what animals people can actually be. if you used public transport in big cities often enough, you realize that it is not the solution people make it out to be.

 

i could accept how shitty it is, if it cost like 25€ to go from berlin to munich but that's not the price. the price is 125€ and that is such a bad deal...

prices for inner-city public transport have been steadily going up over the last years.

 

a ticket with the public bus should cost like 0,50€. for the price it actually costs i can drive 25km. the only advantage i see is that it can drive me to places where parking is impossible and i notice those usually aren't nice places i want to be at anyways. cramped places are torture to be at. just high density, many people in one place, that's usually a horrible idea for almost anyone.

That's because public transport is for tourists or subsidised categories.

Why would you use something other than a bike for a short drive?

bike is nice for completely predictable people. when you know where you go and what you do there and you can take the few things you need for that in a backpack, bike is nice, assuming you can lock it somewhere without it getting stolen or carry it with you when you go inside somewhere.

 

it sucks for going skating though. every gram of extra weight i have on me, even just a backpack, reduces the fun. if i take a helmet and safety pads in a backpack and end up not using them, i reduced the fun for nothing. if i want to switch out wheels or change bearings, it is nice to have replacement parts and tools in the car. it's nice to have 4 different skateboards and choose the one i feel like riding that day.

 

car is like a purse for men where tools fit in.