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RussiaBernd2021-11-19 08:59:54 · 5yNo. 127353reply
Found an interesting copypasta (on fourchannel /k out of all places). Can Americans of /int confirm its veracity?
 
>There are four main original sources of current US culture:
>1. Puritans from mostly East Anglia (an area of England north-east of London) who settled from the 1620s in the area around Massachusetts. Their culture was itself influenced by a lot of trade and interaction with Europe, but particularly the Dutch. Compared to the average person at the time they were much better educated and smarter, having a literacy rate about twice that of Europe or England. To join one of these colonies you had to receive a letter of recommendation from a puritan in known good standing, for example a Puritan minister. Basically these people were middle class and very religious, being disproportionately craftsmen, traders and scholars. These are basically the cultural forerunners to centrists in the US, who have no strong ideological leanings, whose idea of freedom includes things like "freedom from fear" that can only be achieved by government curtailing other freedoms.
 
>2. Cavaliers; the nobles who lost to the Puritans in the English Civil War in the 1640s and fled Oliver Cromwell with their servants. About 1/4 of these were nobles and 3/4 were indentured (white) servants, and they settled in Virginia. This group were wealthy but did not value education and actively repressed it and tried to maintain strict social hierarchies based on wealth and birthright. Their culture was based on honor, discipline and violence, and their idea of freedom is something like the idea of freedom from everything even if that means having an underclass who has no freedoms to enable your own freedom. They were the predecessors to the southern gentlemanry who would go on to become the modern super rich side of the republican party who is super into trying to make rich people richer and poor people poorer. In the interim they replaced their white servants with black slaves, while their white servants became the southern redneck culture.
 
>4. Quakers who, for reasons outside the scope of this but which are really interesting, settled around Pennsylvanian from about 1650 and which is named after their founder against his will. Quakers were British from the North of England and were overwhelmingly of Norman and Germanic descent, and included dutch, Germans and Scandinavians in their immigration. Their culture was based on Quaker religion and stressed extreme religious, cultural, ideological, racial etc tolerance. They are the main cultural and ideological predecessors to the modern American hippies and hard left, as well as, perversely, the neocons. The actual Quakers in the movement basically don't exist anymore because their extreme tolerance saw their movement grow through immigration to the point that they were breed out of meaningful existence, which is fine by them since their ideology is stronger than ever.
 
>5. Borderers from the borderlands of Scotland and England. These areas saw several hundred years of uninterrupted warfare, with no power able to exercise lasting control; the result was neverending raids and border skirmishes, with no help expected or received from central powers by the border populations; in the periods when they weren't being pillaged and sacked whichever power controlled them just tried to get as much tax out of them as quickly as possible. Unsurprisingly the cultures that grew in them were violent and reckless, don't value long term planning, and hate governments. When the Scots and English intermarried and the wars stopped, these cunts were too much trouble to govern, so they deported them to the Northern Irish-Irish border to act as a bulwark. They were too much trouble there as well so they were deported to the colonies. The Quakers took them in before deciding they were too much trouble and they were forced to resettle to the area West of Pennsylvania and in the Appalachians. These are basically the "fuck the government" hillbillies whose idea of freedom is to be totally free from any kind of government.
 
>So to bring this back around to the topic, the EU didn't get raped by US culture, the whole world got raped by the cultures of 5 tiny and extremely distilled portions of Anglo culture as they existed from about 1620-1750, with an intermediate step of leaving them in a petri dish for about 200 years before it happened to have civil wars with each other and learn to fucking hate each other even more.
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>If you want to learn more about this, start by reading Albion's Seed by David Fischer. It's a good history and his theses about their settlement and migration patterns are very robustly supported by genetic studies.
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 09:07:22 · 5yNo. 127354reply
where's 3?
 
But it's p accurate, I've seen a genetic / surname study that mostly confirmed those
will try find it when home
RussiaBernd2021-11-19 09:28:18 · 5yNo. 127355reply
 
Damn you right, there's no Point Number 3.
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 11:32:01 · 5yNo. 127359reply
well based on what I know of US settlement, 3 would probably be the new york / new jersey settlers
PolandBernd2021-11-19 13:03:33 · 5yNo. 127361reply
Well, Albion's Seed is a good read.
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 16:07:53 · 5yNo. 127368reply
OK here's the study as promised.
There's more detailed maps on where ancestors came from in supplementary figures. What we're interested in is ancestors from many generations ago (i.e. pre-independence settlers)
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms14238
The study recognised several ancestry clusters; I'll go through supplementary information on where those clusters are derived from
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 16:12:09 · 5yNo. 127369reply
majority of that deep american ancestry seems to be either british or swabian/swiss/rhinelander (!) – likely effect of post 30 years war migrations (and community transplants such as mennonites/amish)
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 16:23:43 · 5yNo. 127370reply
now the specific groups we're interested in
 
"Northeast and Utah" – those would be the "Puritans"; affinity with Utah is due to Mormons being spawned from this group too (Joseph Smith was from Vermont; the church was founded in upstate NY)
"Pennsylvania" – those would be the "Quakers"
"Lower Midwest and Appalachians" – those would be the "Border reivers"
"Upland South" and "Lower South" – together as "Southern US", those would be the "Cavaliers"
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 16:31:59 · 5yNo. 127371reply
You can see a couple points from this data already (NE actually do have darker blue in East Anglia, Pennsylvania includes a fair bit of German descent, Appalachia has somewhat big bubbles in NIr and Scotland but hard to tell – there's probably missing genealogical data, those are families that are least likely to identify with their European origin too after all, and Southern US seems just indistinct mix of Britain)
 
It would be interesting to filter out only 8 generations + Americans from this data, and look at prior European ancestry of those separately.
But this certainly confirms those clusters.
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 16:51:28 · 5yNo. 127374reply
And here's discussions on the advanced racism blogosphere when this paper came out in 2017:
https://www.unz.com/jman/the-genetics-of-the-american-nations/
https://slatestarcodex.com/2017/02/08/albions-seed-genotyped/
MoscowBernd2021-11-19 17:03:45 · 5yNo. 127375reply
Puritans seem the most based group.
SloveniaBernd2021-11-19 17:13:06 · 5yNo. 127376reply
Their part of US certainly is the least dysfunctional.
GermanyBernd2021-11-19 17:41:19 · 5yNo. 127378reply
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion%27s_Seed
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