In what sense?

they play it safe while pretending to be original, they sing "i can't love germany" (indeed you can't, your career would be over) and put black people the video and they seem pretty content counting their money

 

i find some of their older songs interesting, some have good lyrics (laichzeit, mann gegen mann), but i think they always mostly cared about money, they seemed to produce music by schedule and sometimes they managed to do something good, but if they didn't have time for that they put it out anyway knowing people would buy it

 

are they popular in russia?

Yeah, hugely. Not ideologically, tho. Just about the nice sound.

rammstein always liked to provoke, and with this they poke both left and right spectra. media was annoyed about the jew scene, rightist dislike the negroess as germania (mystic personification of germany). it could mean anything really, thats also typical of rammstein.

 

i also think they want to play it safe. just imagine what the medial response in germany with a blonde germania....

 

at live concerts the black lady is not present, and all germans just sing deutschland!! with alll their heart, which was a curious sensation.

it is also a common theme of rammstain that lyrics and visuals are in contrast to each other. with this song the lyrics can be interpreted negatively mostly, but positive is also possible.

 

i dislike the negroess part, but it causes confusion which equals publicity, and i understand why they would do it. i need to say the video has stunning visuals.

So are you saying that they put that descendant of African lands in the video just to play safe and avoid unnecessary accusations?

Wish I could have seen that alive. God knows when will be the next time in history when Germans will be allowed to scream “deutschland” without being sentenced. :D

Reddit says it's because of the red, yellow and black in the German flag.

Black is a very austere colour, which fits more than the sweetie Fraue Germania.

eh, it's good music to relax to or to get angry on

herzeleid was indeed their best album followed by rosenrot

Just watched/heard it the first time. I dont keep up with popular german media, so it never reached me beyond a passing comment by my father.

 

Anyway, here is my very much qualified cynical opinion:

Engineered to grab attention, full of musical cliches, lots of visual bark, but no emotional bite. In the realm of music videos it surely ranks highly, but the faux movie intro and outro radiates unjustified self satisfaction

What was the comment?

Also you're right, apart from a few scenes this song is very pretentious Rammstein. Obviously the young male vitality of Herzeleid has gone lost somewhat, and now they are old. It's not going to be as good. I liked the ubermachtig bis zum ubermenschen uberdrussig part.

I liked Rosenrot more. Why it isn't as good as Herzeleid in your opinion?

You sound like you just need to listen to the song 2-3 more times and you'll love it. And forget about the video.

Herzeleid is very angry while Rosenrot is more melancholic. Don't forget, it was Herzeleid which kickstarted Neue Deutsche Härte.

The Sehnsucht album is also great but the obscene lyrics and themes make me not want to listen to it.

I didn't really care other than that I liked the song and the black lady was kinda butifel.

 

Calculated controversial video, but I honestly don't understand why anyone would worry about it.

It says obvious things German people are not allowed to discuss in public, no?

What was your favorite song from that album?

Nod really, if you believe saying "I love Germany" lands you in jail you are living in some /pol/-tier fantasyland. Many of the international comments on youtube and stuff make me believe people have a very skewed view of Germany.

 

Yeah some journalists will sperg out about it and in real life you would listen a bit more carefully if this person takes patriotism maybe a bit too far, but most people don't care and/or know that in the case of Rammstein they just wanted something controversial.

Bestrafe Mich

Now I'm just convinced they took a 2014 Dance with the Dead track and transplanted some schwarze szene romance lyrics onto it.

I'm not implying there is only one phrase “I love Germany” to show love to your country. Can you say “I love my motherland” or “Germany is the best country in the world” without making other people cringe?

80% would cringe, probably.

That's sad on one hand. On the other hand, it's pretty unique for a progressive lawful country to have a flaw of that size. Truly a world's wonder.

I was in voice chat with some Fingol to watch the live premiere together, the song was okay, the guitar part felt pretty epic when I heard it for the first time.

 

I listened it for 2-3 weeks sometimes while working out but then forgot about it, I also never heard anyone talking about it except for my mother - she said it is tasteless.

You mother has tastes in alternative rock music?

No, my parents studied music and are only into classic/jazz so the simple Rammstein noises are tasteless for them.

 

They call most new music genres Proletenmusik (bydlomusic) and look down on people listening to rap, pop and unfortunately metal aswell.

Based af. Modern music is so dumbed down its unbelievable. Rarely there are gems but they are not popular.

Depends, there are a lot of talented musicians out there and saying they're shit simply because they weren't born in 1960 is sad.

The shit music of 2020 will not be remembered in 2030 and I am sure that there has been a lot of shit music in 1800 as well, just imagine some peasants dancing to the same repeated three notes of bagpipes.

 

So it is all about you picking what you like from the big amount of offers, good musicians did and will always exist.

 

Their prejudices are blocking them from enjoying modern art, they sound grumpy and stubborn

 

It feels like music which is pushed by pop industry is no different to what peasants was listening in 1800, on both sides from producers to consumers.

And those music videos, jesus take a look at 69 it's peak degeneracy.

Imagine industry when we are not forced to have dynamic range of 6db.

 

Yes and they will never be popular because consumers are just too illiterate to appreciate note progression and somewhat more complex structure.

And it's not their fault, it's educational system which is aimed to raise cheap low quality labor.

Comrade.

So it's not about modern music, it's about popular music then?

What is not about modern music?

I don't know. Nothing, everything? Can't you be more specific?

Who will never be popular? Modern or not modern players?

90% cringe, 10% complain because its actually "Fatherland" in Germany

Kek, Russian Motherland and German Fatherland should unite and make good union. :3

I'm not sure if it is a flaw. That's something you Russians don't really understand.

 

Germans not saying "Germany is the best" doesn't mean we hate ourselves or are brainwashed or something. We have just realized that this form of nationalism is very dangerous and has led to our destruction. Instead, we try to focus on doing good things, teamwork with other European countries, upholding democratic institutions instead of going "HURR DURR GERMONY STRONK!" and waving flags.

I would say at least 2/3 of them are completely clueless about that.

So that good old nationalism card is getting played again.

And it is ironically going to kill Russia like it killed Yugoslavia.

 

But then I'm not sure if there are even a single country which isn't going full on nationalism today.

It isn't a form of nationalism. What are you talking about? All people from all the countries around the world say that phrase and nobody takes it too serious. You guys have some guilt complex and that's what I was talking about.

You can't even imagine a situation when someone says that phrase without being nationalistic, outside of nationalistic context. It's you who has been brainwashed and suppressed and I'm just for free speech.

Indeed, but I guess this will be a dream forever.

 

That's just not true at all. The vast majority here is very well aware of the fact that we are living in a very good and privileged country and there is absolutely no problem saying it out loud.

We just don't say that we, the German people, are superior to others, which we are not anyway.

You don't see the difference between "Germany is the best" and "the German people, are superior to others", do you? Are you even allowed to see any difference between many possible sentences where words “Germany” and ”best” meet each other?

 

"the German people, are superior to others" is by no means a nationalistic phrase, of course. But it's you who started to pull nationalism into this discussion.

I'm not >>109486

 

All I wanted to say is that all this talk about how Germans can't say that our country is good/the best is bullshit coming from /b/ernds and the AfD voter kind of people.

 

They're like the crying incels on reddit who seriously believe that every woman on this planet is a whore and is wet like a waterfall for BBC.

 

They simply don't know better because they never even talked to a woman for more than five minutes.

 

And you also don't know better because you have never lived here, hence I'm telling you.

 

It is B U L L S H I T.

 

I could go outsides with a germany flag and say that this is the most awesome place in the world right now! Nothing bad will happen.

 

But then again, why would I? There is Switzerland in the south and Scandinavia to the north.

You wrote so many words to a person who has never said what Germans actually can or cannot do, it all were your own compatriots, I just repeated their words. :/ Your are retarded.

I answerd your question, retard.

That question wasn't for you, why you though you should answer it? It was personal question. Do you have autism as well by any chance?

It was for me, retard.

All discussions should end on somebody calling another person “nigger” for comical effects.

Nigger.

Okay.

Sorry for calling you a retard by the way, I like that we are being friendly to each other on this board and I want to keep it this way.

You were probably just confused, Nigger.

I'm happy, too, that we can have civil discussions here and Bernds can explain their opinions in more than three words. Let's continue to be friendly for the best mutual benefits. Nigger.

the russian is not entirely wrong I find (Im german)

 

many germans do not really know the, sometimes subtle, but important differences between nationalism, national socialism, patriotism, xenophobia, racism, rightwing, extremism, fascism and such. its all the same spooky evil thing to them admitting that you are skeptic of multiculturalism / open border policy or, conversely, that you like the idea of nationstates, is clearly regarded as something outright evil to do by many germans. both sides get tired of these arguments because both sides dont understand each other and stopped to listen to each other many years ago, and after a while that teaches you to just shut up, and for some (not for me) may contribute to the feeling of collective silencing.

 

admittedly, it depends where you are. I moslty know people from academia in life sciences, and here everyone is extremely sensitive about these topics. I knew a girl who has a hunter licence and hangs out with hunters and scouts, and for them singing folky songs is no problem at all. The thing is that these stick-up-the-ass acadiema people are the ones becoming journalists, whose job is to be no expert in anything but to report on them, and who then mix up all these words I introduced at the start in their articles in a frustrating way, and normies copy them into the "evil thoughts for evil people who do not deserve my time and understanding" part of their brains.

 

you can say that germany is good as a german, but it can be risky.

That's exactly what I was talking about, tho explained more detailed. Thank you for clearing the idea.

And thanks for the info about folky songs, that is really a relief. Glad to know such things still exist on Germany.