Bernd
2022-01-26 15:47:12 ⋅ 2y
No. 133417
Are you in favor of, or against wide scale automation?
Do you believe it will lead to a NEET paradise where 90% of the population are NEETS living off of basic income paid by tax money from the companies owning the robotos, or do you believe it will lead to a dystopia where 90% of the population are fighting over rat carcases in the sewers?
Bernd
2022-01-26 15:51:03 ⋅ 2y
No. 133419
>>133417
my college degree is food industry automation
i am NEET on welfare
Bernd
2022-01-26 16:00:28 ⋅ 2y
No. 133420
It will increase quality of working personal because you must know something more than just working with a hammer. Amount of personal will decrease but insignificantly. You still need operators of automatic lines, programmers, electritians and electronics engineers for all that shit to work.
Bernd
2022-01-26 16:00:55 ⋅ 2y
No. 133421
>>133419
Don't you have food industry in Ukraine?
Bernd
2022-01-26 16:01:55 ⋅ 2y
No. 133422
>>133420
>programmers
Up to a point.
Automated programming is also a field. At first the monkey coders will be replaced, but eventually the AI will become good enough to make even more seasoned programmers obsolete.
In the end only ones with a job will be the technocratic elite.
Bernd
2022-01-26 16:03:34 ⋅ 2y
No. 133423
>>133422
In general, if you believe that automation is only a threat to bydlo tier jobs, you are mistaken.
In an immediate sense you might be right, but after a decade or two once the bydlo tier jobs are gone, the lower tier white collar jobs will also be going away.
Some of the white collar jobs will be going away among the bydlo though, like many of the bureaucrats.
Bernd
2022-01-26 16:04:52 ⋅ 2y
No. 133424
>>133423
Also shit like low tier lawyers will become useless after AI takes over.
As much of their job is to just read over abstract laws, which AI is way better at.
There will still be lawyers, but to become a human lawyer will become harder and harder of a task. Same will apply to many white collar jobs that see themselves as immune to AI.
Bernd
2022-01-26 16:15:35 ⋅ 2y
No. 133430
>>133422
I don't think AI will replace programmers soon. You still need a person to describe AI what you need = programmer of AI, lol.
Bernd
2022-01-26 16:18:42 ⋅ 2y
No. 133432
>>133430
Also debugging and all that shit
Bernd
2022-01-27 04:10:57 ⋅ 2y
No. 133487
>>133421
i would find myself in linux, it and crypto
also i was in paranoid illness thats why on welfare
Bernd
2022-01-27 09:29:29 ⋅ 2y
No. 133493
favor of course
Bernd
2022-01-27 11:26:07 ⋅ 2y
No. 133503
Unironically only if we have communism.
WIthout communism, I'm in favour of returning to a less technological, more homestead-like way of life.
Bernd
2022-01-27 11:48:34 ⋅ 2y
No. 133506
I think it will lead to a future where 20-30% of the population in developed countries is on neetbux and permanently on drugs, attached to virtual reality or given to other distractions.
These people will vote consistently for the party that gives them more favorable neeting conditions and won't care about anything else. Parties will race to appease the NEET class and basically be able to get away with anything once they got their favor.
Literal voter cattle, a consent engine.
I think American democrats have been pioneers of this concept, their treatment of "minorities" has been very similar to what I envision. Their one mistake has been using white males as boogeyman, they will have to change that if they want to reap what the future holds.
Bernd
2022-01-27 12:37:55 ⋅ 2y
No. 133507
>>133417
We currently live in a society that seems to value mathematics in everything. If you want to rise upwards in the social hierarchy, you need to get an education, and that always seems to require maths.
The society where physical human labour was valued highly has long gone and the compensation in that sector are very low, there is actually no compensation for the heavy physical part, only payment for the value your work brings to the company, and robots are preferred.
The bad thing is that the human brain will never be able to compete against computers in something like math - memorizing formulas and performing calculations accordingly. A simple and old invetion like a calculator has already surpassed us in that.
Same thing with coding.
The only area that a human will be able to compete with computers/automatization will be creativity.
I don't see a bright future, the gap between successful and less successful people will keep growing - only a smaller part of humanity will be able to compete/be useful and a bigger group will be deemed useless. Possibly only a minority of rich elite will prosper and the rest will be left to do drugs and live in poverty.
Bernd
2022-01-27 13:17:29 ⋅ 2y
No. 133508
I don't need money when I am in forest
and I am in forest 1/3 of my life
Bernd
2022-01-28 10:13:38 ⋅ 2y
No. 133613
Yes, but itwill not leed to a NEET society, merely to a reduction in workhours per personyear
Bernd
2022-01-28 10:22:48 ⋅ 2y
No. 133614
>>133613
Working 4 days a week 6 hours a day without reduction in pay sounds fine by me.
Bernd
2022-01-28 12:00:15 ⋅ 2y
No. 133630
>>133507
>The only area that a human will be able to compete with computers/automatization will be creativity.
And even in that field it's because of vanity.
You can make AIs that can create unique art that's just as good in any measurable sense as art made by humans, even including all the subtle mistakes and imperfections.
But even then there will be demand for art created by humans, and the value of that will be knowing that someone spent 20 years of their mortal life actually learning how to create this.
I actually envision a lot of shit-tier service jobs to become quite high tier jobs once automation takes over.
In 100 or so years rich fucks will find it exotic to be served by an actual living being, and not by a robot. So being some restaurant waiter or whatever will be quite high tier job with strict and demanding requirements with a lot of competition for and great pay.
Some humans will always value being served by humans, no matter how technically inferior the service is. There is just something about knowing that someone actually wastes their personal time on this plane of existence serving you.
Bernd
2022-01-28 12:05:21 ⋅ 2y
No. 133633
>>133503
>I'm in favour of returning to a less technological, more homestead-like way of life.
What about transhuman primitism?
Meaning we use our technological knowledge to create genetically near perfect human beings that then live anprim tribal life, being some 1000 year old 3meter tall muscular demi-gods of ancient tales with total immunities to all diseases.
Bernd
2022-01-28 12:08:39 ⋅ 2y
No. 133636
Bernd
2022-01-28 12:20:37 ⋅ 2y
No. 133644
I'm a protein scientist and AlphaFold has the potential to make me redundant in five years
Bernd
2022-01-28 12:29:50 ⋅ 2y
No. 133648
Perhaps becoming a musician isn't so bad after all.
I want to see the AI that replaces the live performance in a jazz bar.
Hm, but thinking of it, having C3PO play a ukulele sounds fun.
Bernd
2022-01-28 12:31:49 ⋅ 2y
No. 133649
>>133630
Interesting take, and you are probably right!
Service by humans - that is indeed something I already want when I try get customer service for example, it already feels like a luxury instead of "talking" with a scripted "robot".
Also, some industries that you craft luxury items by hand are already highly valued while the more automated trash the machines create (example: shoe industry).
Maybe the only path humanity has is the way Elon Musk talks about - we have to merge with machines.
Tbh I would find it a relief to know all the mathematical formulas are automatically memorised for me - it would turn a retarded bydlo like me into a civilized person. The standards to excel in that world would grow tremendeously.
>>133633
I think that will happen. We will use technologies like CRISPR to eradicate ugliness and diseases, humanity will basically turn into elves.
Bernd
2022-01-29 10:10:31 ⋅ 2y
No. 133789
>>133417
A good robot can replace a poo-loo/third world worker. Just like street sweeping machines replaced street cleaners in the past. Of course, still somebody has to operate that machine. But still, one sweeping machine operator will replace 10 street cleaners. It might be a chance for non-enriched eastern European countries to deal with demographic change. It's a good thing.